This is nearly two hours, so you might need more than one sitting for this. Of particular interest to me is the way Augustin likens practicing difficult music to solving a Rubik's cube, by separating the difficulties. It's part masterclass, and part podcast-type discussion. And at the end the two violinists take out their ocarinas and successfullly demonstrate what it is like to be a novice at something.
(And you also get to hear Augustin go from essentially "zero" on the ocarina to an almost acceptable 20 m.p.h. in the course of a few minutes of practice.)
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